New TT5 rules released yesterday...

Discussion in 'NASA Time Trial' started by docwyte, Nov 30, 2017.

  1. docwyte

    docwyte New Member

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    Not so good for me. They got rid of the tire pointsand I have to take "modifiers" for my splitter and brake calipers.

    Then the new average hp calculator makes me show more power. I can't add enough weight to stay in the class. I'd either have to pull a bunch of stuff off the car, and/or run a restrictor plate/detune to stay in TT5.

    Or move up to TT4 and be overweight and underpowered. Awesome.

    What about the rest of you guys?
     
  2. Josh Brauer

    Josh Brauer New Member

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    Clear indication you need to cage and GTS...cause racecar!
     
  3. docwyte

    docwyte New Member

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    Yeah, I suppose that's one option. I'm happy in TT tho and have no desire to go wheel to wheel. Don't have the time or budget for it...
     
  4. .boB

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    Come on over to the dark side. The water is cool and refreshing in TTU. ;)
     
  5. docwyte

    docwyte New Member

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    LOL! Well, its either be totally uncompetitive in TT4 due to being underpowered, or add a supercharger and get bumped into TT3 or TT2 depending on boost. Or just run in HPDE4 and have fun.

    Still debating what to do, not really all that thrilled with dropping a bunch of money for a supercharger.
     
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  6. Josh Brauer

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    I've always been uncompetitive in every TT class, though still have a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd season finish due to showing up more consistently than everyone else :)
     
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  7. Mikestang

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    Where will you dive in HPDE4?
     
  8. jscheier

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    Write a letter / email to Greenbaum. Start a conversation on the NASA forum. I'm sure other TTC drivers are feeling the same pain. If you do get the numbers, make sure to cc NASA directors so they can feel the pain too.
     
  9. docwyte

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    Greenbaum responded to my post on the National TT forum, basically told me "tough shit". From what I gathered they (NASA Nat'l) don't think there's too many TTC cars running anyways, so don't really care if we have to class up. They said these rules combined TTD and TTC and were written for the TTD cars. If the TTC cars can't add enough weight or detune enough to stay in TT5, they don't care.

    Mike, I may run in TT4 but with no expectations other than treating it like an HPDE session and having fun.
     
  10. Mikestang

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    Ah, was curious. No group DE4 in our region. I took last year off after "issues" I had with the program, and building a different car.
     
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  11. .boB

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    An LS swap would cost about the same, make more power, and be more reliable. You know, just throwing that out there. :)
     
  12. docwyte

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    Not really. LS swap easily is $10-12k on this car. Need complete motor and T56 transmission, then all the swap parts.

    Hoping to pick up a lightly used supercharger system from a friend for no more than a third of that....
     
  13. Josh Brauer

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    Thought about a S54?
     
  14. Supercharged111

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    You must be talking long term swap costs, or show car swap costs. Or are you paying labor for all this? Don't forget about the TKO lineup, they're not much more new than a T56 is used. That is until you take into account all the nickels and dimes it requires to work.
     
  15. docwyte

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    Have you priced out the cost of a good, used, LS/T56 combo lately? They've really jumped in cost. Plus to swap the car you need mounts, headers, etc. Vorshlag has a good kit but its thousands of dollars. So add that to the cost of the motor/T56 and you're well over $10k.

    Same thing with an S54 swap. I'd love to do one, but between the motor, redoing the rod bearings and vanos, then motor mounts, airbox, wiring harnesses, etc that's $10k+ as well.

    If I'd known NASA was basically deleting TTC I wouldn't have done the work I did to my current S52 (head gasket + more) and just spent that money on swapping in an S54.

    At this point adding forced induction is the cheapest and easiest way to boost power...
     
  16. Supercharged111

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    Last I checked you're in the 5-6k range for an early LS swap (motor, trans, PCM, harness on a pallet), I imagine newer LS3 stuff is more with a TR6060. Add headers, exhaust, mounts, and all the BS to that. I would agree that forced induction is by far the simplest option, but at that point you run out of room to grow if that's an option you're flirting with. Having said that, there have been some LS1s on CL lately for far less than the easy peasy Ebay buy now button. Whatever you want to do can be done for less than the going rate if you're patient. In the meantime, there's this. :D

    https://www.holley.com/products/nitrous/hidden_systems/parts/05029NOS
     
  17. docwyte

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    Another thing to consider is that if I LS swap the car, I can't run it in GTS in the future. I LS swapped my 944 and it was a lot of fun, but I'm not sure I want to do it again
     
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  18. Josh Brauer

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    At this point I'd say put a restrictor on and ballast as needed. That will give you the most flexibility in the future and be the cheapest option to still run this year.
     
  19. bpanther

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    Don't let the people who run in HPDE4 know that.... lol
     
  20. bikeride

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    Are we going to run both TTD and TT5? It looked like they were not dropping TTD just yet.
     

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